Wednesday night saw the largest national mobilisation against the far right in years, following the violent, racist riots that have rocked the UK since the horrific murder of three children in Southport last week.
Miller is beyond ridiculous - His rants remind me very much of David Irving before he was utterly busted and ultimately arrested and banged up - All of which I wouldn't care about if he hadn't somehow found sanctuary at the venerated University of Bristol What on Earth do they think they are up to? As ever, David, thank you for your substacks. It makes these "Surely they can see how ridiculous these ideas are?" moments more bearable, to know I'm not the only one thinking "WTAF"
As I said, in reply to a post on FB earlier today- 99% of Jews in Finchley (Whether they love, hate or are indifferent to Zionism) will read that idiot poster they put up and read "Zionists" as a dog-whistle for "Jews,' ergo... "Jews out of Finchley." Where do you file that?
Part of the reason so-called "antizionists" get away with this is a continuing media reluctance to label Islamists or their sympathisers as Far-Right, even though they fit the description just as neatly as the Islamaphobes & white supremacists. A few accurate comparisons of what these movements have in common - antisemitism, misogyny, homophobia, conspiracism, justifications for violence, plus reminders of past collusion (eg. the former BNP leadership & Abdul "Hooky" Hamza) might clarify a few things.
As it is, we have some on the Right who can't get past simple racism over skin colour (sorry, "cultural" differences), whilst many on the Left still seem to be stuck in a 1970s time warp where any armed gang opposed to "The West" is treated as some sort of Sandanista/Viet Cong outfit, rather than the modern-day Einsatzgruppen Hamas & Co. actually are.
I am still shocked that anyone would spin a narrative that blames Jews for far right hatred of Muslims and the appalling violence. It is perverse. The Jewish people, who have been murdered by fascists in their millions, have now orchestrated revenge on Muslims. Make it make sense. You would have thought that the vile murders and subsequent riots would deflect attention away from Israel and Gaza, but instead, have only deepened the antisemitic conspiracy theories. I have always been on the political left, but I have never felt so alienated, and at times, utterly despairing.
When you’ve run out of avenues to be heard then I understand but don’t condone. As the left were, until recently, fond of quoting as justification for previous rioting, MLK said “ riots are the voice of the unheard “. Or are the unheard the wrong colour for you now?
...a speech against racism which is in the same breath anti-Semitic (literally the same breath). If you put the film on a loop and played it at the Tate Modern you could present it as some kind of absurdist artwork.
Part of the reason it’s hard to have an honest conversation about whether the UK accepts too many Muslim migrants is that position is associated with these stupid moronic rioter thugs and is thus politically toxic.
A protest against overboarding uncontrolled immigration cannot necessarily or simply be seen as „Far Right“ - it is an issue concerning many people, most of them too indifferently or cowardly to speak out, a.o. to prevent themselves from getting labeled „Far Right“.
If all protesters or „Far Right“ers were criminal, then Mr. Miller should have long been sentenced for incitement to be getting jailed; for the time being he´s a useful idiot for Mr.Starmer and his constituents to keep the protests down.
„Antisemitism is the ’socialism’ of the poor-minded“ (August Bebel, 1900). „Poor-minded“ = „The majority“. That´s why antisemitism and a.o. German „National Socialism“ was/is so „success“ful ("is“ because we have it in Germany again with at least two „succesful“ parties yelling „national socialist“ slogans „success“fully again, combining „Rightist“ and „Leftist“ slogans). The (term) „majority“ is much much too overrated. „The Right is about authority - the Left is about control.“ Spot the difference.
There is no white fat right in the U.K. it is a label used by lefties to shut down any dissent from pissed off, forgotten put upon white working class folks. The only far right that is organised, violent, misogynistic, anti semitic and homophobic in the U.K. are Muslims.
Just did in previous comments. Do catch up. And which riot? Harehills?…..the one where the police withdrew and it’s been memory holed. Or the ones with men in black tooled up shouting Allahuh Akbar. Which are far outnumbering any pissed off put upon working class people that aren’t allowed a voice
Yaknow what? I'll talk to my brothers who aren't far from Finchley and from Walthamstow. From what I understand, the feeling in North London and East London is that this is extremely real.
There are no serious organised groups. No terrorist attacks have taken place. If there are any, it’s very fringe and badly organised and funded. To equate them to the level of threat of Islamism, which is the constant narrative, is like saying a pimple is just as dangerous as stage 4 brain cancer.
It's not true that no far right terrorist attacks have taken place. The murder of Jo Cox, the firebombing of a migrant centre in Dover, several stabbing attacks all in recent years. Over a quarter of all terrorism prisoners are extreme right wing, because lots of plots get foiled. Just two months ago a neo-Nazi in Brighton was imprisoned for planning a suicide bombing of a synagogue.
The riots that took place recently had all the characteristics of far right violence. They were organised in the way that a lot of things are organised nowadays - organically, online, no central bureaucracy directing things - and the violence singled out and targeted specific minorities along racist lines. Claiming it's just pissed off white working class people is pretty insulting to white working class people imo.
Oh come on. Do the scores on the doors. I’m not even including rape gangs here or attacks abroad like Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan. Give your head a wobble lad.
You’re the one who needs a reality check. You think there’s no such thing as a white far right when we’ve just had the worst racist violence in years. You said there’s no far right terrorism which is obviously not true. None of this is to deny the reality of Islamist extremism but there can be more than one threat, more than one type of extremism, operating at one time. In fact they feed off each other.
And you think the far right ( are they in the room right now? Can you see them ) are as organised, driven and well funded as the Islamist terrorists. Again. Check the stats. It’s like comparing a blister to a Stage 4 tumour. Who do you think is the serious threat? If you’re honest, Do you really think the riots were a sophisticated movement gaining momentum or a rag tag mob of individuals, most of whom are pissed off with being told to turn the other cheek after years of terrorism, rape gangs, and unchecked immigration and the social issues from it that impact them the most. Are you aware of the mobs of black clad, machete carrying gangs looking for the mythical far right shouting allahuh Akbar? Attacking pubs half a mile away from the mosque they’re supposed to be defending.,Unreported and mostly unpoliced but eminently visible on line if you’d like to verify. But I doubt you’d want your narrative interrupted. You don’t have to live with what the working classes have to put up with. I tell you what, why don’t you call an emergency dinner party and mull it over with your like minded cosseted buddies and take comfort in your superiority whilst reaching the same conclusion you always do. It’s the reprehensible white right wing rioting that’s the problem. They do it for kicks the animals. They haven’t the iq to remember the years of neglect and disdain from the likes of you have they. You are the problem and you will have to live with the consequences of your pearl clutching hand wringing bollox. Shame I’ll have to live with it too.
So people who attack mosques and libraries and citizens' advice centres are just "put upon white working class folks"? Why would think being "put upon" entitles them to do that sort of thing?
When you’ve run out of avenues to be heard then I understand but don’t condone. As the left were, until recently, fond of quoting as justification for previous rioting, MLK said “ riots are the voice of the unheard “. Or are the unheard the wrong colour for you now?
Miller is beyond ridiculous - His rants remind me very much of David Irving before he was utterly busted and ultimately arrested and banged up - All of which I wouldn't care about if he hadn't somehow found sanctuary at the venerated University of Bristol What on Earth do they think they are up to? As ever, David, thank you for your substacks. It makes these "Surely they can see how ridiculous these ideas are?" moments more bearable, to know I'm not the only one thinking "WTAF"
I think a lot of us are thinking that, every day!
As I said, in reply to a post on FB earlier today- 99% of Jews in Finchley (Whether they love, hate or are indifferent to Zionism) will read that idiot poster they put up and read "Zionists" as a dog-whistle for "Jews,' ergo... "Jews out of Finchley." Where do you file that?
It just mostly is
Part of the reason so-called "antizionists" get away with this is a continuing media reluctance to label Islamists or their sympathisers as Far-Right, even though they fit the description just as neatly as the Islamaphobes & white supremacists. A few accurate comparisons of what these movements have in common - antisemitism, misogyny, homophobia, conspiracism, justifications for violence, plus reminders of past collusion (eg. the former BNP leadership & Abdul "Hooky" Hamza) might clarify a few things.
As it is, we have some on the Right who can't get past simple racism over skin colour (sorry, "cultural" differences), whilst many on the Left still seem to be stuck in a 1970s time warp where any armed gang opposed to "The West" is treated as some sort of Sandanista/Viet Cong outfit, rather than the modern-day Einsatzgruppen Hamas & Co. actually are.
I am still shocked that anyone would spin a narrative that blames Jews for far right hatred of Muslims and the appalling violence. It is perverse. The Jewish people, who have been murdered by fascists in their millions, have now orchestrated revenge on Muslims. Make it make sense. You would have thought that the vile murders and subsequent riots would deflect attention away from Israel and Gaza, but instead, have only deepened the antisemitic conspiracy theories. I have always been on the political left, but I have never felt so alienated, and at times, utterly despairing.
When you’ve run out of avenues to be heard then I understand but don’t condone. As the left were, until recently, fond of quoting as justification for previous rioting, MLK said “ riots are the voice of the unheard “. Or are the unheard the wrong colour for you now?
Some people don't seem to understand irony.
(...I just remembered that Corbyn once said something about Jews not understanding British irony)
...a speech against racism which is in the same breath anti-Semitic (literally the same breath). If you put the film on a loop and played it at the Tate Modern you could present it as some kind of absurdist artwork.
Part of the reason it’s hard to have an honest conversation about whether the UK accepts too many Muslim migrants is that position is associated with these stupid moronic rioter thugs and is thus politically toxic.
A protest against overboarding uncontrolled immigration cannot necessarily or simply be seen as „Far Right“ - it is an issue concerning many people, most of them too indifferently or cowardly to speak out, a.o. to prevent themselves from getting labeled „Far Right“.
If all protesters or „Far Right“ers were criminal, then Mr. Miller should have long been sentenced for incitement to be getting jailed; for the time being he´s a useful idiot for Mr.Starmer and his constituents to keep the protests down.
„Antisemitism is the ’socialism’ of the poor-minded“ (August Bebel, 1900). „Poor-minded“ = „The majority“. That´s why antisemitism and a.o. German „National Socialism“ was/is so „success“ful ("is“ because we have it in Germany again with at least two „succesful“ parties yelling „national socialist“ slogans „success“fully again, combining „Rightist“ and „Leftist“ slogans). The (term) „majority“ is much much too overrated. „The Right is about authority - the Left is about control.“ Spot the difference.
There is no white fat right in the U.K. it is a label used by lefties to shut down any dissent from pissed off, forgotten put upon white working class folks. The only far right that is organised, violent, misogynistic, anti semitic and homophobic in the U.K. are Muslims.
So who were all those people both at the riots and stoking them online? Can you explain all of that away?
Just did in previous comments. Do catch up. And which riot? Harehills?…..the one where the police withdrew and it’s been memory holed. Or the ones with men in black tooled up shouting Allahuh Akbar. Which are far outnumbering any pissed off put upon working class people that aren’t allowed a voice
Yaknow what? I'll talk to my brothers who aren't far from Finchley and from Walthamstow. From what I understand, the feeling in North London and East London is that this is extremely real.
I’m pretty sure there’s some. But they get no public sympathy so they lie low.
There are no serious organised groups. No terrorist attacks have taken place. If there are any, it’s very fringe and badly organised and funded. To equate them to the level of threat of Islamism, which is the constant narrative, is like saying a pimple is just as dangerous as stage 4 brain cancer.
It's not true that no far right terrorist attacks have taken place. The murder of Jo Cox, the firebombing of a migrant centre in Dover, several stabbing attacks all in recent years. Over a quarter of all terrorism prisoners are extreme right wing, because lots of plots get foiled. Just two months ago a neo-Nazi in Brighton was imprisoned for planning a suicide bombing of a synagogue.
The riots that took place recently had all the characteristics of far right violence. They were organised in the way that a lot of things are organised nowadays - organically, online, no central bureaucracy directing things - and the violence singled out and targeted specific minorities along racist lines. Claiming it's just pissed off white working class people is pretty insulting to white working class people imo.
Oh come on. Do the scores on the doors. I’m not even including rape gangs here or attacks abroad like Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan. Give your head a wobble lad.
You’re the one who needs a reality check. You think there’s no such thing as a white far right when we’ve just had the worst racist violence in years. You said there’s no far right terrorism which is obviously not true. None of this is to deny the reality of Islamist extremism but there can be more than one threat, more than one type of extremism, operating at one time. In fact they feed off each other.
And you think the far right ( are they in the room right now? Can you see them ) are as organised, driven and well funded as the Islamist terrorists. Again. Check the stats. It’s like comparing a blister to a Stage 4 tumour. Who do you think is the serious threat? If you’re honest, Do you really think the riots were a sophisticated movement gaining momentum or a rag tag mob of individuals, most of whom are pissed off with being told to turn the other cheek after years of terrorism, rape gangs, and unchecked immigration and the social issues from it that impact them the most. Are you aware of the mobs of black clad, machete carrying gangs looking for the mythical far right shouting allahuh Akbar? Attacking pubs half a mile away from the mosque they’re supposed to be defending.,Unreported and mostly unpoliced but eminently visible on line if you’d like to verify. But I doubt you’d want your narrative interrupted. You don’t have to live with what the working classes have to put up with. I tell you what, why don’t you call an emergency dinner party and mull it over with your like minded cosseted buddies and take comfort in your superiority whilst reaching the same conclusion you always do. It’s the reprehensible white right wing rioting that’s the problem. They do it for kicks the animals. They haven’t the iq to remember the years of neglect and disdain from the likes of you have they. You are the problem and you will have to live with the consequences of your pearl clutching hand wringing bollox. Shame I’ll have to live with it too.
So people who attack mosques and libraries and citizens' advice centres are just "put upon white working class folks"? Why would think being "put upon" entitles them to do that sort of thing?
When you’ve run out of avenues to be heard then I understand but don’t condone. As the left were, until recently, fond of quoting as justification for previous rioting, MLK said “ riots are the voice of the unheard “. Or are the unheard the wrong colour for you now?
I assume "ultimately destroy the white face" should be "ultimately destroy the white race"
Yes! Thank you, I've corrected it.